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  2. I require a second hand main and no 1 genoa if anyone is selling?
  3. I don't have any spares but was just curious about why / how the existing gudgeons would have failed and whether I should be inspecting mine more closely. Could you advise what the problem is? Many thanks Mark
  4. Hi All Have found out from Hunter Boats that the Godgeons for a Hunter Sonata are best spoke and that the fabricator retired this year. I have found a local Fabricator "HELP" they cost £100 each to be made
  5. Hi Chirsb Yes i have a main requires one batten. requires some repairs but still very crisp £75
  6. I am currently looking at various lifting Keel sailing boats, the Sonata has caught my eye, however I would require one with a lift keel, as propose to use it on a drying mooring..... has anyone got any info that might be useful or previous knowledge of the boats being suitable for a dry mooring ? Cheers Andy
  7. Hi there, anyone selling a second hand main?
  8. Anyone have a pair of Gudgeons they are willing to sell to a good home?
  9. I have a lift keeler in Jersey. I started with a Mercury 3.3hp which was enough for local stuff but wasn’t so good for long distance, I managed to wear out the piston which is pretty unusual as usually they don’t do enough work in their life span for this to happen. It took roughly 400nm. So have reluctantly moved to a 26kg Mercury 5hp sail drive with an external tank, which (touch wood) is yet to miss a beat and with it's larger propeller, our speed is much less affected by chop. My view is if you’re cruising or as we are, racing offshore under IRC Cat 3 get something that can handle chop, tied, heavy crew etc… If you’re just locally racing or coastal cruising a 2.5hp will probably be ok, but don’t expect it to last forever. Tom
  10. I have a lifting keel sonata on the Bristol channel and my outboard has given up the ghost. I was wondering what the smallest outboard other owners are using on the back of there boats. I was wondering if a 2.5hp would be good enough? Any help on this topic would be a great help. King Regards Tom Sully Fantasy (5103Y)
  11. Thanks for the kind words. Yep, I thought it needed an upgrade so I just did it. As well as the new look, it's mobile friendly and has some new features. It's now a Wordpress site so should be easier to keep up-to-date without losing the mass of older-but-still-valuable stuff. I think the Facebook page and the website complement each other. My take on it is the website provides current news items, a shop-front for anyone interested in the class, an authoritative source of class information and an archive of hints, tips, stories, history and all the rest of it. Always happy to discuss how the web site might develop in the future. Cheers jack
  12. Jack, I would just like to echo the comments from Chris......the new look website looks a lot better and hopefully will get more traffic! Best regards Mark
  13. In the interests of communication I have repeated my message to Jack here, it was first posted in the Web Matters Forum just now. Hope you all agree. "Thanks, Jack, for a nice fresh, clean site. I only hope we can persuade members to use it more. Chris" In the interests of the last sentence, I am about to use our Facebook page to do similar and re-draw attention to our website, particularly the Forums, where, I think, we are under-utilising a great asset. If you agree, join me and others in our Forum posts. Now that Jack has taken the trouble, entirely off his own bat I suspect, to give us a significant new look, we should support the site by increasing our participation. I appreciate the value Facebook, I really do, but our website has always been first class, a huge resource, a great means of communication and, I hesitate, but something more professional and serious than Facebook, befitting a now fairly senior Class Association and a National Class to boot. Good heavens, do you appreciate that the Sonata is a whisker away from becoming a "Classic Yacht" in terms of the Classic Yacht Association GB's rules? We have the age, well, some of us do. True, we are not made of wood with long overhangs bow and stern, nether do we have a gaff. But then, neither do some of the other "Classic" boats that I raced with across the Channel this Summer. It's a thought, isn't it? Dave Thomas would have been really chuffed to know that his fag-packet sketch for a 'family cruiser' could ever consider that. I might have a go at it. Me and my boat qualify on age, me especially, not sure how CYA GB might view my hull shape and rig, but, whatever, the parameters might be flexible! Chris
  14. Can any one tell me where we can purchase Rudder Godgeon from Thank you Sid
  15. Steve Goacher sails 8047 Main 2005 needs repair on the battons pockets Genoa 2005 genny needs a repair small hole Genoa N02 2003 requires battons replaced and repaired All are still crisp in good condition other than the above £400 for the lot
  16. Hi. Any sonata owners got a decent rudder they want to sell. Need one as soon as possible call me 07790852878 thanks david.
  17. For the day to day stuff about who is doing what, who is going to which events then Facebook works better than most other media and the West Coast Snottas page has been great.......even if my boat has done more races without me than with me this year! Having either a UK Snotta page or one for Poole, one for the Medway that we could all follow might be the way forward........keeping links to sonata.org.uk for the formal stuff (eg rules) Mark Saraband 8314N
  18. Chris, Sorry for the delay in response. Personally I would be quite happy if we took a very relaxed view on what we allowed from an electronics perspective. I have long been of a chart and Douglas Protractor persuasion and certainly kept that position on board both of my boats, telling myself that I would not move to a GPS plotter until at least both my lads had a rudimentary knowledge of the basics of chart work. They now have that, but the reality is that they always had far more information on their phones with a Navionics app than I will ever carry inside my chart table. The apps are cheap, regularly updated and when rock-hopping against the tide are more user friendly than a chart flapping in the wind etc. Phones are already banned in many sailing instructions from being used during a race, on the grounds they might be used to obtain external information, but as you suggest, who is to know whether the person on the rail is using a standard Casio stopwatch or a GPS watch with boat speed, VMG etc? Other electronics are proportionally cheaper than they used to be, use less power than their predecessors and are more reliable. Again, I can see little ongoing argument for saying we should exclude them from the class. The fast sailors will still be fast, with or without the instruments, and the less fast sailors on't be able to hide behind equipment restrictions for their lack of skill or practice! The biggest risk I see to the class moving forward is failing to attract more people into the class and anything we can do to assist people to make that move the better. Many of the people who might aspire to helm a Sonata might also crew on bigger more exotic stuff where electronics for VMG, lay lines, start line etc are routinely used so allowing them to use those bits of kit on a Sonata and practise their skills would be valuable. Lets have a sensible rule on electronics that shows we are of the 21st century..........personally I would propose we have no restrictions on electronics! Mark Saraband 8314N
  19. Hi Chris, I'll be the first to kick things off then. I own Meltemi, a lift keel version which has the sail number 210. Sailed on Ullswater in the Lake District and bought from Brightlingsea. Previously she was based at Penzance so she's been about a bit! She's just undergone something of a refit so should be good for a lot more years. I've already posted on this site about whether 210 is also the hull number as I can't find any markings anywhere inside or outside the hull. Regards Tim Ellis, Penrith, Cumbria.
  20. Hi Chris, good to see you back taking an active part in Sonata activities. In the west of Scotland we have a Facebook page called West coast snottas as the national Sonata web site wasn't getting much response as you are now finding. I will highlight your activity on Facebook to see if that promotes the necessary response. Regards Peter Booth
  21. OK, I have only given it about 10 days since I posted. According to the website, on all my posts, there are three more posts from me, up to ten views, no replies, including this one, headlined, as you see, Hello, Hello. Me, not that fussed if you don't want to talk to me, prefer you did, but up to you. Me, I am seriously trying to communicate with you lot. If I don't get any response, I will poke you via emails. I understand that Sonata matters are probably way down your personal priorities list, currently, as of this hour at midnight Saturday, I am working out the logistics of getting BFG lifted in Poole Wednesday and re-lauched in Brixham, Thursday, for the Southerns. Looks good so far. Concurrently I am running a business that demands 24/7/365 attention. If I can take the time and effort to post this at midnight, surely some of you out there can have the decency to reply to me. I live in hope. Chris
  22. So this is maybe what i mean when i say we need to use our website to communicate. The below is a message i sent as a reply from BFG to my Medway Sonatas after the RTI. Sorry if the pic is upside down, not idea why. But you will get the gist. I guess any of you North of Watford will have no idea what went on in that race. It was lumpy and very windy. As it happened, after Callista dumped her rig, we on BFG had a mini committee meeting on the beat back to Cowes and decided to gift the Sonata reserve mast to Callista, subject of course to NSA approval, which was subsequently granted, because, he, Chris, Callista, had already entered the Poole Nationals and we were no way going to prevent him from competing. He did. All good. So, your Association works, even when beating to windward in 30knts. You should be proud of that. We are all owners/sailors of Sonatas, we want to communicate with you, as per my previous posts. All we require is for you to communicate with us. Chris Thanks Paul and all,Have to say it was more of a war of attrition than a yacht race and we only got our names on the salver because we were last Sonata men (and ladies) standing. I think we may be the smallest (LOA) boat to finish this year - anyone with a head for stats want to check that for me? Thanks to my crew, Dave Hill, veteran of all our RTI campaigns who pulled everything in very hard and stopped the boat shaking itself to pieces, Santha Patel, first time around, and bit of a fiery baptism, but a New Zealand surfer, so quite at home on the foredeck up to her neck in lumps of the Solent, partner Sharon who magnificently steered downwind to St Cats and pulled out a lead of 5 minutes on our closest rival Sonata, (which yours truly lost when he took back the stick on the next leg) only to regain the lead by default when they dumped their rig over the side. As always, I am constantly amazed by what Sonatas will stand up to, BFG was in much better shape than I was and the joy of overtaking 36ft boats both upwind and downwind is one of the reasons I love this race, so thanks Dave Thomas for designing such a tough, enduring and competitive little boat.RegardsChris and SharonPS Congratulations also to Joe, our Sonata Chairman, who won his Class, not in a Sonata, boo, but some feat nonetheless in that race.Sent from my iPadSent from my iPad
  23. In the last couple of years particularly there has been a revolution in marine electronics. I caught up with this recently and was completely astonished by what information you can now get, real time, with an internet connection and a GPS antenna bolted to an iPad or equivalent. Add a couple of watch brands to the mix and you can not only navigate anywhere in the world by looking at your wrist, you can receive all sorts of information whilst sitting on the rail, ostensibly, checking the count down time. I last looked into this seriously some three years ago and those of you who read the posts at the time will remember that we altered our Class Rules to manage the technology then available. Now, its at a whole new level and, as a Class, we should be aware of this and, if necessary, adjust our rules again to account for it. I am not saying that any of it would necessarily provide a significant advantage on a Sonata race course, neither am I saying that anyone might be tempted to use it to gain advantage, albeit they could do it without anyone else realising what they were doing. Its just for the Class to be aware what is out there at very little expense and which way we might want to jump as a pure one design Class with an ethos of maintaining at least some of Dave Thomas's concept of a "family cruiser", toilet, cushions, etc. Comments please. Chris
  24. At the Poole AGM I sort of volunteered to become the Class Archivist. Not quite sure how I did that, it was a bit like becoming Chairman before. It just happened. I guess I am reasonably qualified as I bought BFG in the early 70s when Mike Owers was Chairman and he used to publish a six monthly Newsletter and send it out by snail mail to all the Class members. I still have those papers and a lot of other stuff too. There are some copies on this website, but theres more, a lot more. When I was chair, one of my stated ambitions was to try to trace every Sonata ever made by Hunters. Failed miserably, so maybe this is unfinished business. The major difficulty was that the boats get sold, often change names, vanish off the Associations radar, then pop up again with little to link them to their previous life apart from the hull number. Mike Owers did a cracking job recording what he knew in the 1990 Association Handbook. I have that. Of course it is wildly out of date, undoubtedly some Sonatas have gone to the great Sonata grave in the sky, more likely, the deep, as per a hull in Hong Kong which, in 1990, was occupied by a family of 14 who hot bunked it as living quarters in the typhoon harbour. But I bet a lot of them are still out there somewhere because, as we all know, they were built to last. So the first task is to update my list of hull numbers with current owners as far as poss, and that's where you come in, I need to know who owns what now. Yours, others in your Club or area, who you bought from, who you sold to. I will publish the list anon, meanwhile, please prepare your research. Thanks. Next, I can start adding an individual boat's history to its number, interesting and maybe valuable to you and any future buyer. Bit of a task, this, but I have modern technology to hand, so not impossible. Alongside this, and maybe even more valuable to the Class, prospective buyers, is a collection of history of what our little boats have achieved. Just the Yarns on this site give a flavour, but there are undoubtedly a lot more stories of derring do. A prospective buyer into the Class weighing up a Sonata v, say, a J24, might like to know that ours stand up in 40knts and if knocked flat, won't sink (sorry, J's, i know you have addressed this now). But you follow my drift. Here's another little gem to consider: we, some of us, may own a "Classic Yacht" in terms of the British Classic Yacht Club's definition of such in their Class Three category. I happen to have caught up with this having just raced a Cat 3 one, a Rival 34, in fact, the first one built, to Brest for a six day festival, which was awesome. Maybe, maybe not, but, we certainly own some old ladies, theres never ever going to be another Sonata built, the moulds have been destroyed, mores the pity, so our collection of boats is fairly unique, worth preserving by all means possible. There are other old One Design Classes out there, the Solent based X Class, about 100 boats strong, has a cult following, sell for 10 times a Sonata's value, and its just a wooden daybook, a nice one, but not that special, sorry, X's. The Portsmouth Victory Class is still going strong, wooden clinker, and they have revitalised it by taking a mould off an existing wood hull and building fibreglass copies which race in Class, because there are few original Victories left. Compared to these two examples, and there are more, we have a much better proposition. You can buy a Sonata for peanuts and with a very small investment, turn it into a very competitive one design with seriously great racing, plus a boat you can cruise on in most weathers. What other Class offers you that? I think we have a collective responsibility to look after our Class. Thats mostly what this is about. Hope you can help me do that. Chris
  25. Hello all fellow Sonatas. I am just wondering if anyone will read this soon, or at all, because the post before this one is dated 2015. Lets see. You might remember me. I was your Chairman for four years before Joe and I have just returned to the fray after a wee rest of 3 years with BFG by doing the RTI and the Poole Nationals. We are about to do the Southerns, too. I have to admit, Sonatas are still a passion and I have enjoyed meeting all you new folk who have bought into the class since I last sailed and renewing old friendships with those whom we have done battle with in past years. Didn't much enjoy getting thrashed on the racecourse by strangers, but thats my fault for not keeping up practising. It is really great to see so many boats out with a lot of young crew, especially as they are a bit good at it. And well done Poole for organising such a brill and professional event. I have done a few regattas in my time and that one counts as one of the very best. Hats off, Poole, Joe, the team, the sponsors and especially hats off to the Sonata Class who, as I have always said, not only provide the best bangs for buck of any class I can think of anywhere in the world, they do it with style and at a very high level of racing. Long may it continue and prosper. However, to the topic of this post. I always tried hard to communicate with the Class when I was in charge. You can find a mass of posts and stories from me buried in this site. We now have the Facebook page too and mini websites like the Nationals one pop up and very quick and useful they are too. But this site, and a very good one it is too, thanks, Jack, should be more used in my humble opinion. Thats up to you guys. No input, no communication. How can we make it that you all scan Sonata.org.uk much more regularly and use it more? How can we make it like your online banking/Facebook which you look at every day? (week? you do look regularly, don't you) ? Suggestions please. To start something off, I have separately posted a couple of new topics here. Please join in the discussion, I don't want to end up a lonely old pensioner talking to himself! Chris
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